We have on Nicholas Buccola to talk about his book The Fire Is Upon Us, which is a history of the famous debate between James Baldwin and William F. Buckley. We discuss why Baldwin whipped Buckley so handily, how Buckley's rhetoric of racial resentment and anti-democratic views continue to hold sway on the right, and more!

You can watch the debate here, and find Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor's book From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation that was mentioned here.

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